tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post113124340445213996..comments2023-11-02T15:47:29.001+00:00Comments on particleblog: A Trade LabelTadhghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14763670950211297013noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1140018615192002512006-02-15T15:50:00.000+00:002006-02-15T15:50:00.000+00:00finally some information i can use , most blogs do...finally some information i can use , most blogs don't have anything that interet me but thank you for the posts and keep blogging. <BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://sources-about-health-food.com" REL="nofollow">eating a healthy breakfast</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1139891737415888612006-02-14T04:35:00.000+00:002006-02-14T04:35:00.000+00:00Been going through sites looking for ideas for are...Been going through sites looking for ideas for areas like download movie. You set yours up well. I like some of the wording. 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For instance, I wasn't that interested in Shadow of the Colossus until people began telling how they felt so bad for destroying the colossi. A videogame, making you feel regretful for doing the things you're supposed to, in the context of a game? Now that's interesting.<BR/><BR/>I'd be really careful to point out that it wasn't "artistic" games per se that were singled out with a seal, but ones, I don't know, designed with a genuine interest in advancing the form in some way. Or whatever the criteria would be, I'm not saying I could come up with it, but I would be interested in the results.Joonashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05519735433233432410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131906487455204512005-11-13T18:28:00.000+00:002005-11-13T18:28:00.000+00:00i have a nintendo seal of approval in my wallet.al...i have a nintendo seal of approval in my wallet.<BR/><BR/>although some find it confusing, i had always thought it would be rad to grant stamps of approval to different groups that specialized in different areas to certify games in regard to their area of expertise.<BR/><BR/>quality of art stamp of approval<BR/><BR/>quaity of programming stamp of approval<BR/><BR/>quality of design stamp of approval<BR/><BR/>quality of marketing stamp of approval<BR/><BR/>quality of christians stamp of approval<BR/><BR/>quality of violence stamp of approval<BR/><BR/>ideally these rating tracks would be housed under an umrella label and could be observed in this fassion.<BR/><BR/>i don't think a quality label merits a right to be placed on a box. it isn't right, should the label damage the potential success of a product. i'm not for buying shit in a jewel case, but it isn't ethical. they say two wrongs don't make a right.<BR/><BR/>cool blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131666091594431842005-11-10T23:41:00.000+00:002005-11-10T23:41:00.000+00:00The question is, who would judge these titles?Wher...The question is, who would judge these titles?<BR/>Where would you place Grand Theft Auto?<BR/>At it's core, it's very plain to see the gameplay elements that attract the majority of people. Stealing cars, running over people, dodging cops.<BR/>Now let's go a step further and say there's a story involved, character development, simulations, and so forth.<BR/><BR/>One might only see the cars, people and cops, where a better gamer would see so much more.<BR/>It seems the moot arguement because Grand Theft Auto has truly become a vast franchise that few can compare to, and many imitate.<BR/><BR/>Let's look at most of Electronic Arts titles. The best example in my mind would have the be LotR: The Third Age. A complete copycat title of Final Fantasy X that completely lacks the side story elements that made the Final Fantasy series great. Not to mention minigames, open ended world design, and a complete lack of bonuses for those who might want to put extra effort into a game.<BR/>LotR: TTA was a travesty to the name RPG in that it was truly nothing but a series of battles, sequenced together with clips from the movie, and sold on an existing franchise.<BR/><BR/>For these games, I'd say we need a label, because, to be fair, not all of EA's developers crank out crap. However, I again ask, who would judge these titles??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131665109099560692005-11-10T23:25:00.000+00:002005-11-10T23:25:00.000+00:00It might be fun to include a working link.<A HREF="http://www.criterionco.com/asp/about.asp" REL="nofollow">It might be fun to include a working link.</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131664870122182082005-11-10T23:21:00.000+00:002005-11-10T23:21:00.000+00:00Perhaps something like this http://www.criterionco...Perhaps something like this <A>http://www.criterionco.com/asp/about.asp</A> would work? I've been a fan of a lot of the movies they've put out as well as discovered many I love (and had never heard of) just because of the collection's seal of approval.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131629373402046312005-11-10T13:29:00.000+00:002005-11-10T13:29:00.000+00:00"Instead of allowing the consumers to decide what ..."Instead of allowing the consumers to decide what they want, following your idea, we should "tell" them what they really want. We move from a free market toward a form of "centralized planning." Such a condescending attitude toward gamers kills good games faster than bad publishers and greedy shareholders can."<BR/><BR/>There is nothing condescending or choice-limiting about what I'm advocating.Tadhghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14763670950211297013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131615248001122542005-11-10T09:34:00.000+00:002005-11-10T09:34:00.000+00:00i would rather not be told what is quality and wha...i would rather not be told what is quality and what isn't. <BR/><BR/>i'm all for getting the word out on truly great videogames, but an obnoxious, intrusive sticker on a game's box put on by an 'elite' group of game players? no.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131591072232522502005-11-10T02:51:00.000+00:002005-11-10T02:51:00.000+00:00Bad analogy, Tadgh. The use of organic and fair tr...Bad analogy, Tadgh. The use of organic and fair trade labels on food are ambiguous and rather meaningless. Organic means that no pesticides or chemical fertilizers were used. It does not ensure actual quality. Fair trade--the concept itself--is debatable, and also does not imply any associations with quality, as you assert. Instead of allowing the consumers to decide what they want, following your idea, we should "tell" them what they really want. We move from a free market toward a form of "centralized planning." Such a condescending attitude toward gamers kills good games faster than bad publishers and greedy shareholders can.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131587016221985512005-11-10T01:43:00.000+00:002005-11-10T01:43:00.000+00:00*sniff* You had me at Ico. You had me at Ico.Bu...*sniff* You had me at Ico. You had me at Ico.<BR/><BR/>But seriously, I love the idea. And I'm no pro or anything, but if there's anything I can do to help, just say the word.Jeffoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13535815916014632731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131580619968912292005-11-09T23:56:00.000+00:002005-11-09T23:56:00.000+00:00I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding this. W...I wholeheartedly agree with you regarding this. While the GTA have good design, it is fairly obvious that one of the main reasons why it sold in the first place was because of its over the top violence and the media publicity that it receives. Sometimes it pisses me off when a game which has lacking depth such as this is famous, while games such as Suikoden II (not only based on Chinese history, but also tells a moving story about best friends who end up on the opposite side of a war), Fire Emblem (about a lord who hates war but needs to fight it to protect those he loves; also has a couple of St. Augustine references in the game) do not get any exposure in the media. I could go on and on about this but these are some examples. I remember a few Koei games back on the SNES that was labeled as the historical simulation series where you could replay the American revolutionary war, Genghis Khan, and other historical events. That is why videogames need a system that separates dumbed down games with trash content with games that that actually has philosophical content in them. I wholeheartedly agree with you, and I would like to assist you in any way possible. My email is vincentmtang (at) gmail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131573747018965842005-11-09T22:02:00.000+00:002005-11-09T22:02:00.000+00:00I like it! I'm a big fan of the idea...not sure if...I like it! I'm a big fan of the idea...not sure if publishers would allow the sticker or not but I would love to see something like that...<BR/><BR/>DavidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131568210453990802005-11-09T20:30:00.000+00:002005-11-09T20:30:00.000+00:00Jeff,Anything and everything would be considered. ...Jeff,<BR/><BR/>Anything and everything would be considered. Games that do what they do well and games that deserve wider recognition (if good). Anything that makes the voters think "This is actually a fresh quality game". Aesthetically, interactively, it's all just about quality. And beyond that into other media too.<BR/><BR/>Off the top of my head, games that I would prefer to see have the label: Killer 7, Ico, Starcraft, Grim Fandango, God of War, The Neverhood, Cannon Fodder, Worms, Zelda. <BR/><BR/>I don't even like all of those games, but there's a definite creative intent/intellect going on underneath each of them that makes it worth noting. The label is not a '5 star' seal. It's a label that says 'Discerning people might like this'.<BR/><BR/>If that makes any sense.Tadhghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14763670950211297013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131564151873658492005-11-09T19:22:00.000+00:002005-11-09T19:22:00.000+00:00Interested? Very.For the sake of argument, and to...Interested? Very.<BR/><BR/>For the sake of argument, and to get a better grasp of what we're talking about. Is this for games that are good, period, or for games that deserve wider recognition? Do you think you could list a few titles that you would vote in favor of?<BR/><BR/>For me a game could, by all other standards, be a typical offering that brings one completely new component to the table that, if done well enough, would deserve such a stamp. Like Grand Theft Auto 3, Spider-Man 2, or even Max Payne. All are cases of popular games where I would say "Yes, these delivered a good, honest product that successfully delivers quality."<BR/><BR/>Of course, more obvious choices in my book for awards of quality gaming would be things like Shadow of the Colossus or Psychonauts.Jeffoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13535815916014632731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131320777002264302005-11-06T23:46:00.000+00:002005-11-06T23:46:00.000+00:00I've been thinking about that. I think the way to ...I've been thinking about that. I think the way to go is to set out a few basic criteria and then ask the 'group' to vote on whether they think the thing reaches those criteria. The question is what the criteria would be, of course. Getting there.<BR/><BR/>As for the voting, I'm inclined to think that it would have to be something like a 2/3rds majority to qualify as a yes, but that could breed a situation where nothing gets approved. It'd have to be a test-and-see, I guess.Tadhghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14763670950211297013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131304987453738832005-11-06T19:23:00.000+00:002005-11-06T19:23:00.000+00:00Fair enough, makes sense then :)I guess having a s...Fair enough, makes sense then :)<BR/><BR/>I guess having a single label would lead to less confusion, but then how do you define what that label is defining?<BR/><BR/>It's not like organic foods where there is a strict set of criteria to determine whether it is certifiably organic or not.RodeoClownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14132852669233755447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131276960077832112005-11-06T11:36:00.000+00:002005-11-06T11:36:00.000+00:00(That was me in the last comment btw)Rodeo:I think...(That was me in the last comment btw)<BR/><BR/>Rodeo:<BR/><BR/>I think that having different ratings and gradings etc would over-complicate things. If this is to be a broad label that applies to books, magazines, films, whatever, as well as games, then you're going to get a situation where lots of sub-labels and categories would just undercut it usefulness.<BR/><BR/>Its like 'Fair Trade'. The power of the tag is in the single message that it conveys. <BR/><BR/>As for the age thing, well to put it bluntly, no, there aren't that many mature 20-year olds. I want people that have a bit of worldly experience and perspective. There's plenty of bright spark youngsters out there, but they often lack a roundness of character that only time brings.Tadhghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14763670950211297013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131276511700034342005-11-06T11:28:00.000+00:002005-11-06T11:28:00.000+00:00gman,It's simple: the vote of the group makes the ...gman,<BR/><BR/>It's simple: the vote of the group makes the decision of whether game X or book X is a quality thing or not. It doesn't necessarily have to be 'art' in the formal sense, just a genuine quality experience. The label says 'This work is smart', that's all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6093379.post-1131263865349913942005-11-06T07:57:00.000+00:002005-11-06T07:57:00.000+00:00Instead of having a sticker that singles it out as...Instead of having a sticker that singles it out as a good thought process behind it, why not provide a more ESRB-type label which outlines in a little more detail why it meets the criteria.<BR/><BR/>Things like F - This game appears to have been finished (not rushed out the door to make Christmas). <BR/><BR/>Things along those lines.<BR/><BR/>And why do the 'jurors' need to be over 25? There are plenty of mature 20 year olds that would make a positive contribution.RodeoClownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14132852669233755447noreply@blogger.com